Posts by defender of truth

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Nice Old Dears Tried to "Witness" to me Today

by cofty in

an older man and wife - ray and mary - got chatting to me today.

they were tourists admiring local wildlife.

i gave them a few tips on where to go to see some interesting things and it wasn't long before they were telling me about how awful the world is "nowadays" and paradise yadda yadda.

defender of truth

Well done Cofty.

The ARC gives us all something factual, indisputable and clearly non-apostate to refer JW's to.

I love this line of questioning..

I told them about the official figure of 1006 cases of child abuse that were on file at the branch office and asked ...
"How many of these do you think were reported to the police?"
Ray - " I don't know the answer to that"
Me - "Fair enough, how many do you hope were reported to the authorities?"
Ray and Mary - "All of them we would hope".
Me - "According to the Australian branch office the actual number of the 1006 child abuse cases that were reported to the authorities was ... (pause) .... ZERO!"

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The Manipulation of Information - Watchtower article on the dangers of propaganda

by defender of truth in

hatred is a strong emotion exploited by propagandists.

loaded language is particularly effective in triggering it.

there seems to be a nearly endless supply of nasty words that promote and exploit hatred toward particular racial, ethnic, or religious groups.. so the sly art of propaganda can paralyze thought, prevent clear thinking and discernment, and condition individuals to act en masse.

defender of truth

Hatred is a strong emotion exploited by propagandists. Loaded language is particularly effective in triggering it. There seems to be a nearly endless supply of nasty words that promote and exploit hatred toward particular racial, ethnic, or religious groups.

So the sly art of propaganda can paralyze thought, prevent clear thinking and discernment, and condition individuals to act en masse

Playing on the Emotions
Even though feelings might be irrelevant when it comes to factual claims or the logic of an argument, they play a crucial role in persuasion. Emotional appeals are fabricated by practiced publicists, who play on feelings as skillfully as a virtuoso plays the piano.
For example, fear is an emotion that can becloud judgment.

Propaganda encourages this by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending rules of logic. As history bears out, such tactics can prove all too effective.

Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea.
The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked.

IS THE WORK OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES PROPAGANDISTIC...

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102000442?q=lies&p=par

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Geoffrey Jackson on "corporal punishment"

by opusdei1972 in

here is another jackson's misleading answer, from the transcript of august 14 :.

25 q. do you accept corporal punishment?

29 a. not not personally, no, and not as an organisation 30 we don't encourage it.

defender of truth

Especially this:

While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.
Jesus Christ counseled: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” (Mt 7:6)
That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm. (Mt 15:1-6; 21:23-27; Joh 7:3-10)
Evidently the course of Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, and Elisha in misdirecting or in withholding full facts from nonworshipers of Jehovah must be viewed in the same light.—Ge 12:10-19; chap 20; 26:1-10; Jos 2:1-6; Jas 2:25; 2Ki 6:11-23
http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102000087?q=lies&p=par

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Geoffrey Jackson on "corporal punishment"

by opusdei1972 in

here is another jackson's misleading answer, from the transcript of august 14 :.

25 q. do you accept corporal punishment?

29 a. not not personally, no, and not as an organisation 30 we don't encourage it.

defender of truth

Hi Mary j blige.

These may be of interest:

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102000087?q=lies&p=par

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002738?q=lies&p=par

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ex-jw-uk

by bigmac in

jw
friends

i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

i've already found several by reading older posts..

defender of truth

If you live in the UK and would like to help the Independent Inquiry gather information on JW's handling of child abuse:

www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/share-your-experience

Or

Email:

contact@csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk

Thank you.

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Watch Tower Society owns web domains: www.MT2414.com and www.PS8318.com

by Gilgamesh in

(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).

i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.

so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).

defender of truth

Does anyone have the guts to pass all these on to the Russians?

They should be able to be order the org to surrender the full list of mirrors..

http://eng.letters.kremlin.ru/

http://m.government.ru/en/letters/

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Please, share your abuse story.

by Aprostate Exam in

greetings to all, i am new to this site and am enjoying the topics.

briefly, my family suffered my older/deceased brother's molestation when he was 13, in the congregation.

to this day, my mother still defends the elders that dealt with this situation.

defender of truth

If you experieced abuse as a child in the UK, please consider sharing your experience confidentially and anonymously, via this online form.

They will reply to you quickly, and nobody will question you on what you tell them.

The more stories that people are willing to share, the better.

www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/share-your-experience

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Could the Independent Inquiry in England and Wales expose jw.org's child abuse failures? And how can we help?

by defender of truth in

with all the talk about the org's policies and failures regarding child sexual abuse being publically exposed in australia, i thought that it may be a good time to highlight this... i apologise if this has already been discussed, but on the 9th of july the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse in england and wales was opened.

here is some information regarding it's aims.. "about the inquiry.

the inquiry offers an unprecedented opportunity to examine the extent to which institutions and organisations in england and wales have taken seriously their responsibility to protect children.. the inquiry will investigate a wide range of institutions including:.

defender of truth

Please pass on this link to anyone you know in the UK, or post it on Facebook etc.

Thank you :)

www.csa-inquiry.independent.gov.uk/share-your-experience

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Inside Scientology and Escaping the Witnesses - Mon 24th channel 5

by not bitter in

jw
friends

thats it really.

uk channel 5 at pm mon 24th.. maybe its already been posted but sounds interesting.

defender of truth

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jehovah-witnesses-taught-non-believers-6313397

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Geoffrey Jackson on "corporal punishment"

by opusdei1972 in

here is another jackson's misleading answer, from the transcript of august 14 :.

25 q. do you accept corporal punishment?

29 a. not not personally, no, and not as an organisation 30 we don't encourage it.

defender of truth

This is still on the online Insight Book.

Insight Book
ROD, STAFF
Uses. Rods or staffs were used...to punish children, slaves, or others (Ex 21:20 [“stick,” NW]; Pr 10:13; 23:13, 14; Ac 16:22)

Parental authority.
“Rod” is used also to symbolize the authority of parents over their children.
The book of Proverbs makes many references to this authority, the term symbolizing all forms of discipline used, including the literal rod used for chastisement.
The parent is actually responsible before God to exercise this rod, controlling the child.
If the parent fails in this, he will bring ruination and death to his child and disgrace and God’s disapproval to himself also. (Pr 10:1; 15:20; 17:25; 19:13)
“Foolishness is tied up with the heart of a boy; the rod of discipline is what will remove it far from him.”
“Do not hold back discipline from the mere boy. In case you beat him with the rod, he will not die. With the rod you yourself should beat him, that you may deliver his very soul from Sheol itself.” (Pr 22:15; 23:13, 14)
In fact, “the one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline.”—Pr 13:24; 19:18; 29:15; 1Sa 2:27-36.
http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003754#h=4